Tragedy in France

Two vegans who fed their 11-month-old daughter only mother's milk went on trial in northern France on Tuesday charged with neglect after their baby died suffering from vitamin deficiency.

Sergine and Joel Le Moaligou, whose vegan diet forbids consuming any animal product including eggs and cow's milk, called the emergency services in March 2008 after becoming worried about their baby Louise's listlessness.

When the ambulance arrived at their home in Saint-Maulvis, a small village 150 kilometres (90 miles) north of Paris, the baby was already dead.

The ambulance workers called the police because the child was pale and thin, weighing 5.7 kilos (12.5 pounds) compared to an average eight kilos for her age.

The baby had only been fed on the milk of her mother, who was aged 37 at the time.

An autopsy showed that Louise was suffering from a vitamin A and B12 deficiency which experts say increases a child's sensitivity to infection and can be due to an unbalanced diet.

"The problem of vitamin B12 deficiency could be linked to the mother's diet," said Anne-Laure Sandretto, deputy prosecutor in the city of Amiens where the trial is taking place.

The couple has been charged with "neglect or food deprivation followed by death" and face up to 30 years in prison if convicted.

I hardly have the heart to comment.  Unlike some vegan baby deaths, who were fed soy milk, this baby was breast-fed.  I can't even imagine the trauma of being a woman and mother, and for your own breast milk to be as poison to your child.  My emotions are alternating between a quiet, deep sadness and a loud, angry condemnation.

I think today is a day for quiet, deep sadness.


127 Responses to “Vegan baby dies because mother’s milk was vitamin deficient”

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    • Maddy says:

      Wow this is so sad and tragic for these parents. I have tried western medicine to cure a mysterious ailment.  I have also tried different nutritions and eastern medicine.  Now I am trying veganism and it seems to be working.  I don’t believe I will stay vegan, however I will definitely eat a whole foods diet no more processed food for me.  For now I am a raw vegan.  As healthy as I am feeling for me this is just a rest to give my body the strength it needs to heal.  I understand that meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are work for the body to digest. Right now I am juicing my body is healing.  When I start putting other foods of the earth in my body it wll pure pesiticide free, hormone free foods.  Healthy grown and raised food sources. All of it will be in moderation.  I have always looked for holistic cures first.  With this mysterious illness it didn’t work and I did western which didn’t work either and now I am doing food for cure.  I would not however subject my kids to this. I grew up on the typical American diet in a time when fast food was rare.  Your mom cooked all your meals and bagged your school lunch. Even birthdays were special but celebrated with home cooking.  Restaurant trips were rare like years apart not months or weeks.  So Godspeed to these parents.  I do believe the healthiest diet is one in which partake of all the beautiful plants, trees, grasses and even animals on this earth.  However we do it with kindness and gratefulness for this bounty.  Just my two cents

    • ModerationGirl says:

       Wow this is so sad and tragic for these parents. I have tried western medicine to cure a mysterious ailment.  I have also tried different nutritions and eastern medicine.  Now I am trying veganism and it seems to be working.  I don’t believe I will stay vegan, however I will definitely eat a whole foods diet no more processed food for me.  For now I am a raw vegan.  As healthy as I am feeling for me this is just a rest to give my body the strength it needs to heal.  I understand that meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are work for the body to digest. Right now I am juicing my body is healing.  When I start putting other foods of the earth in my body it wll pure pesiticide free, hormone free foods.  Healthy grown and raised food sources. All of it will be in moderation.  I have always looked for holistic cures first.  With this mysterious illness it didn’t work and I did western which didn’t work either and now I am doing food for cure.  I would not however subject my kids to this. I grew up on the typical American diet in a time when fast food was rare.  Your mom cooked all your meals and bagged your school lunch. Even birthdays were special but celebrated with home cooking.  Restaurant trips were rare like years apart not months or weeks.  So Godspeed to these parents.  I do believe the healthiest diet is one in which partake of all the beautiful plants, trees, grasses and even animals on this earth.  However we do it with kindness and gratefulness for this bounty.  Just my two cents

    • ModerationGirl says:

       Wow this is so sad and tragic for these parents. I have tried western medicine to cure a mysterious ailment.  I have also tried different nutritions and eastern medicine.  Now I am trying veganism and it seems to be working.  I don’t believe I will stay vegan, however I will definitely eat a whole foods diet no more processed food for me.  For now I am a raw vegan.  As healthy as I am feeling for me this is just a rest to give my body the strength it needs to heal.  I understand that meats, nuts, fish, dairy etc are work for the body to digest. Right now I am juicing my body is healing.  When I start putting other foods of the earth in my body it wll pure pesiticide free, hormone free foods.  Healthy grown and raised food sources. All of it will be in moderation.  I have always looked for holistic cures first.  With this mysterious illness it didn’t work and I did western which didn’t work either and now I am doing food for cure.  I would not however subject my kids to this. I grew up on the typical American diet in a time when fast food was rare.  Your mom cooked all your meals and bagged your school lunch. Even birthdays were special but celebrated with home cooking.  Restaurant trips were rare like years apart not months or weeks.  So Godspeed to these parents.  I do believe the healthiest diet is one in which partake of all the beautiful plants, trees, grasses and even animals on this earth.  However we do it with kindness and gratefulness for this bounty.  Just my two cents

  2. Anonymous says:

    WHAT  A THIS STUPID THING IS THIS  IM VEGAN OVER 8 YEARS WITH TWO GIRLS VEGETARIAN A ND VEGAN NEVER SICK ALWAYS HEALTHY ,I TEST THEIR BLOOD 3 TIME A YEAR AND THEY ARE HELTHY KIDS MORE THAN KIDS WHO EAT MEAT AND SMART THAT REGULAR KIDS WHO THE NUTRICION IS REALLY BAD JUST MEAT IS NOT GOOD,BE VEGETARIAN IS THE BEST,,,

     

    • Anonymous says:

       I’d be curious to know how many cavities your kids have. How long have they been vegetarian/vegan? Were you vegan when pregnant and nursing?

  3. Anonymous says:

    Hi, I’m obviously a few months late to comment on that article but I wanted to share a link to a french article on this sad story.

    You’ll see that the fact that they re vegan is not the reason their child died, she died from a bronchitis they refused to cure instead using "poultices of cabbage, mustard and camphor"… Another example, she was never given any bath, she was "washed" instead with soil and clay.

     Well it is true that "Vegan baby dies because mother’s milk was vitamin deficient" serves your point of view better than "Another child dies because of his crazy parents".

    The article in french

    http://www.courrier-picard.fr/courrier/Actualites/Info-regionale/La-fille-des-vegetaliens-est-morte-faute-de-soins

     

    • Anonymous says:

       I totally understand where you’re coming from, but if you understand biochemistry and the true qualities of nature you would understand why it was the vegan diet that was the true cause of death. The body can’t handle much of anything if it is malnourished. Plenty of parents refuse to use typical, modern treatments for illness as well as not bathe their children, but with a sufficient diet those factors are not a problem. However, I don’t agree with them pressing charges against the parents. They are "punished" more than enough by the death of their baby. They were doing what they thought was best. It’s the governments, organizations, and companies that misinform the public about health and nutrition that should be behind bars.

    • Ian Wendt says:

       It says right in the article that the child died from pneumonia and general malnutrition. A little medical knowledge for you here. Guess what happens when a child is severely malnourished? Well, I won’t keep you guessing. Their immune system eventually deteriorates and their ability to fend off infections becomes almost non-existant. Pneumonia may have killed the child, but the cause was malnutrition. 

      Another fun fact. It is entirely possible, and recommended by the World Health Organization, for an infant to exist and be very healthy on nothing but breastmilk for well over a year. This child didn’t even make it to a full year. 

      Your argument is null and void. 

      • Anonymous says:

        Well, you seem like a nice dude, and I thought we french were the ones looking down on everybody. Allright you like facts, here are some: 3 months prior to the child’s death, they went to see a doctor for the very same bronchitis, the doctor saw the seriousness of her condition and wanted her to be hospitalized her parents refused. 3 months later she died. So basically that child was left agonizing for more than 3 months with fever, constant coughing and possibly many other symptoms. And then the author (well to be honest everyone reporting that story) choose the vegan side of the story. So my point is, does the agony of a child who was refused medical treatment really serves your point?

        • Anonymous says:

           You really think that parents should be forced to trust the medical system? I trusted the very same medical system so many in our society seem to almost worship and it only got me more sick and actually very close to death many times. The vegan diet is also dangerous. I’ve been on it and was brought closer to death again. It was not until I embraced a traditional diet that I started to actually get better. I’m healthier now than ever before. Also, while on the vegan diet, I started to get a cavitiy (had never had one before in my 24 years of life before that– even on a somewhat typical American diet)— my caivty repaired itself when I converted to a traditional diet rich in animal fats and proteins. I also lost weight, got more energy and got back my libido. Modern medicine doesn’t heal– it’s a business out to make as much money as possible. I question anything promoted by that same system.

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  6. Melissa says:

    This is not about vegansim. The parents neglected signs that their child was sick. Any diet can be healthy or unhealthy depending how much attention you pay to it. I see overweight children, children with ADD, who continue to be fed  sodas and Mc Donalds and I don’t ever read articles. "Mother feeds child pink slime for lunch" or "Diabetic overweight child seen sipping on Mountain Dew and Cheetos". Those habits are just as deadly and harmful. These children are suffering slowly and are lacking the nutrition they need to do to concentrate and thrive.  This is one vegan associated death compared to the millions of children who are lacking the nutrition and  suffering from the poisons and crap thats in their "food".

    • Anonymous says:

       The point of the article is not to say that veganism is the only bad diet you can have. Yes, a lot of parents could be charged with neglect if the judicial system looked at every case of death and illness the same way they looked at the case of these vegan parents. I’d like to invite everyone on here to consider the implications of trying to make anyone eat any sort of way. Why can’t we just promote food choice and the freedom to choose for ourselves and our children even if it means some will suffer sad consequences like this? Trying to force any agenda will only make all of us more accountable for any death or illness. What ever happened to the idea of supporting parents in their roles instead of punishing them for everything they do wrong? The real crime here has nothing to do with nutrition, it has to do with control. 

      • melissa says:

        I understand what you are saying and I like the idea of supporting parents.  I think a lot of the mess that we are in is due to a lack of support. I think we are lacking support but also education. People do for the most part have the freedom to choose what foods to feed themselves and their children, without truly knowing where it came from or the ingredients inside of it. Their are so many hormones, artifical flavors, aritfcial colors, preservatives, gmo’s, etc that are added to our foods that it is completly void of nutrition. Factory farmed meat is void of nutrients because of the conditons and feed given to the animals. I’d like to promote food choice but the bottom line is that most are unaware of the treatment of the animals, the consquences to the environment and their health. I’d like people to make informed decisions.  If we all keep learning and researching we will have true freedom on food choice. I am sorry that you had a bad experience when you went vegan. I don’t know your situation or circumstances to say anything on it but I really commend you for trying it!  I don’t think that it’s unhealthy. There are many athletes, olympians, models, and every day people who are thriving. It definitely takes learning more about though.

    • Anonymous says:

      It is about veganism. That baby would still be alive if it’s parents didn’t live a [trendy] vegan lifestyle. And you still support that lifestyle? Even after a death of a baby? wtf?

      You’re comparing apples to oranges — and yes you do read about bad parents feeding their children crap. I read it all the time. I don’t condone parents feeding them crap food; but veganism is on the same level to me. What’s worse is that the parents are pushing their [in their opinion] high-and-mighty lifestyle in their kids, with detrimental effects.

      If parents feed themselves and thir kids as nature intended by eating lots of vegetables, meat, animal fats, nuts, and berries — there would be a shit-tonne less of obesity, diabetes, and kids dieing of vitamin deficiencies. Here’s another case:

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364746,00.html

       

      • Anonymous says:

         I understand that veganism is not healthy– really at all. However, do you really think it wise to take the responsibility away from the parents? I guarantee that if society was more supportive of parents, this kind of thing would be even more rare and instead of punishing the parents in this case, they’d help and support them. No one will ever be convinced that your point of view is valid if you attack their views. They will only see you as an enemy. Don’t be the enemy. If your diet is full of those wonderful, nutrient-dense foods you mentioned, please show it by being compassionate– you should have a healthy gut & mind to make that easy. Even if parents choose "wrong", as long as they are not intentionally harming their children, they should not be punished for exercising their agency, authority and responsibility as parents. 

        • anonymous says:

          Veganism is not healthy?  How do you so readily discount twenty-five years of copious scientific and medical research that prove otherwise?  Read the China Study, the greatest epidemiological study ever conducted, to see how meat and dairy consumption is the surest path to heart disease, osteoporosis, diabetes, cancer and obesity.  Read Mad Cowboy, Becoming Vegan, Thrive, The Pleasure Trap, The Food Revolution, Fast Food Nation, Eat to Live, etc.  Then watch Gary Yourofsky’s lecture on you tube.  The man regularly converts hardcore omnivores to veganism in under an hour and a half.   If veganism is so unhealthy, then why do so many elite athletes thrive on a vegan diet (Tony Fiametta, Mac Danzig, Salim Stoudamire, Arian Foster, Serena Williams, Venus Williams, Keith Holmes, Timothy Bradley, Scott Jurek, Carl Lewis and Rich Roll among many, many others).  If veganism is unhealthy, then why has my heart rate (60), cholesterol (135) and blood pressure (85/60) never been lower?  I’m not more active than I was pre-vegan, and truthfully I am only occasionally active (biking, hiking, skiing, running, swimming).  Why haven’t I been sick in the nearly four years I’ve been vegan?  Why am I maintaining an ideal weight effortlessly?  How come I don’t have any deficiencies?  I don’t have an iron deficiency, zinc deficiency, B12 deficiency, calcium deficiency, protein deficiency or vitamin D deficiency.  I don’t need to take any supplements, since I get everything I need from the sun (vitamin D) and organic, non-GMO food.  I don’t eat tofu, tempeh or seitan because I don’t like the way they taste.   I don’t eat non-dairy cheese, yogurt or milk because I never liked the dairy versions of cheese, yogurt and milk.  In my experience anyway, veganism is incredibly healthy.

          • Anonymous says:

             You mentioned 25 years of scientific research? My omnivorous diet is based on way more scientific and historical evidence than that. By the way, you may have read all those books, but have you actually looked at the studies themselves? I know of no athlete that has been vegan for more ten years and is thriving. There may be vegetarians, but certainly not vegans. Read actual scientific studies, talk to real scientists who do studies with integrity, and you’ll see how the rest is just propaganda. If omnivorous eating leads to all those problems then explain why it is that all those diseases are more prevalent and yet our diets have become more plant based than they were 100 years ago. You should read Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Dr. Weston A. Price. Also, the reason you are healthier is quite likely for several reasons, depending on your personal situation. For one, which omnivorous foods were you eating before? Was it the Standard American diet that included processed foods? Did you have very many raw foods in your diet previous to becoming vegan? You should also read The Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith. I realize a lot of vegans and vegetarians don’t like her, but I doubt many of them have actually read her entire book. So, if eating animal products is so risky and detrimental, tell me why my grandparents who grew up on nourishing animal foods and plenty of animal fat are over ninety and thriving. Not one case of cancer between them, no diabetes, no heart disease, relatively mild arthritis (for their age- they have been eating a fair amount of modern foods for the last few decades, so any ailments are easily explained by that), and they both still get around pretty well. I know dozens of individuals that had similar diets throughout their lives and have way less of these problems you claim animal products cause when compared to anyone who has been vegan for more than a few years. It’s simple biochemistry that is backed by thousands of years of evidence. All you need to read is Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. Unless you are converted to the ultra religious cult of veganism (which I personally have tried and almost died from), you will understand why it is that veganism has been "sold" to so many people over the last few decades, but is not truly nourishing. Whatever you choose, I wish you good health and happiness throughout your life. I am glad that you have experienced good health. It sounds like you do not eat very many of the really awful foods, but I would urge you to investigate it a little further so you can discover how nourishing animal foods can be (especially when they are not produced conventionally– animals should always be treated humanely). 

      • Melissa says:

        So only vegan parents are "pushing their opinion" on their children? So what do you call the rest of parents that are passing on ideas about religion, marriage, lifestyle, education?Parents pass on ideas, culture, opinions and lifestlye to their children on a daily basis. Thats our job, to teach our kids what our idea is of a healthy lifestyle.  These parents neglected signs that their child was sick. If they would have acknowledged and intervened the baby would most likely still be here. Veganism does not cause death. Malnutrition does. I condone healthy lifestyles where people are always learning and improving.  I do not condone the neglect of sick children. More children are being harmed by meat filled fast food joints than they are from vitamin b deficiencies. You can provide as many links as you want. All we have to do is past a Mc Donalds to see the many children who are at that moment being fed shit or watch children excessively  play video games rather than playing outside.

        • Anonymous says:

           Have you considered that these parents believed their lifestyle to be healthy enough that their child could recover without medical attention? I don’t disagree with most of what you’re saying, but I don’t see why everyone is justifying the charges against these parents. If you’re a parent, then support parental rights. I doubt these parents felt they were neglecting their baby. It can be difficult to know at what point one should question the lifestyle they’ve been living for so long so passionately. These parents need compassion, not criticism. BTW, veganism does cause death because it causes malnutrition. I almost died from veganism– and a "well-balanced" vegan diet at that. The vegan diet is inherently flawed, but I stand up for your right to not only eat vegan but to feed your children that way if you truly believe it is best. 

  7. Jessica says:

    mothers milk is important compare to forumula check out how to breast feed

    • Anonymous says:

       Absolutely. And this article is trying to highlight the importance of the nutrition of the mother while breastfeeding. Statistically, there are probably way more deaths from infant formula than there are even from vegan breastmilk, but that doesn’t mean veganism is healthy. Thank you for reinforcing the awesomeness of breastfeeding!

    • Anonymous says:

       The science behind B12 is well documented. It is only in meat products because farmers add it to the grain they eat. Mothers can store B12 without passing it to the baby,  but only after 6 months. All babies need only breastmilk till 6 months of life. Then they need additional nutrition from foods, it’s called weaning. B12 is a common problem as found in fewer foods than thought. This couple gave only breastmilk till almost a year of age, no health practitioner would recommend that. The problem here is not the diet but lack of diet for the child.

      • Anonymous says:

         I don’t know about that. The World Health Organization promotes the idea that exclusive breastfeeding can be sufficient up to 1 year of age. The truth about weaning is that it typically should not start until 6 months of age. However, if a mother’s nutrition is adequate, strictly breastfeeding to a year is sufficient. I just don’t know of any mother that can handle exclusive breastfeeding that long, but they are apparently out there. Also, B12 is not just present in animal foods because "farmers add it to the grain they eat". B12 is found in much higher amounts in pasture-raised animals, such as 100% grass-fed beef, and is also much more bioavailable. Also, sufficiently healthy gut flora will produce B12, but I’d be shocked to find a vegan with well-balanced gut flora. Anyone heard of GAPS? I’m sad about how bad the nutrition information is out there.

  8. Anon says:

    People have different diets. So what, if one is inferior to the other, it shouldn’t matter to you because it doesn’t apply to you, and if you think the other side is ignorent, then keep quiet and let people "Drown" in their ignorance.

    Killing’s killing, no matter if it’s to the brainstem or from the vine. When a plant is cut from the vine, it is dying. It does not have a face. It cannot scream. It cannot express the enduring pain it is in. [b]Nonetheless, it is dying[/b]. So quit thinking either of you — vegans and omnivores — are holier than thou for some stupid reason. Eat what you want, and [i]fuck the rest.[/i] I didn’t come here to see a wall of useless bitching by other commenters about the diet.

    Personally, I think more is at hand here than the mother’s milk being deficient. Maybe one of you asswipes should do a stuidy sometime — an [i]unbiased[/i] study, of pregnant vegan mothers who breastfeed vurses pregnant omnivorous mothers and carniverous mothers. I would like to see the result of that study [i]unmodified[/i] to account for your beliefs. But we can’t even have that in this time and age where information is twisted, skewed and ruined beyond source recognition.

    • Anonymous says:

       Well, you didn’t exactly say it, but it sounds like you just really want more food freedom and better information. I’ll salute those ideas. I’m all for finding the real answers– unbiased and unadulterated. You got the right idea. In fact, I really am planning to do studies like the one you mentioned. I’m hoping people like you will donate to my foundation for this kind of research (I haven’t formed it quite yet), since funding from special interests only makes for politically correct science.

    • Irksome Irk says:

      He did manage to leave out a major part of the story.    They baby died due to a pneumonia-related illness, that more than likely the B12 and A deficiency contributed to.  Also,  the refused to take the baby to the hospital as their doctor had advised during the 9 month check up when the doctor noticed she was losing weight and had broncitis.  Instead treating him at home with cabbage and clay poulctises.    

      As a mother my children’s health always came first, no matter what my beliefs are.

    • MR. Contradition says:

      WELL done mate you have hit the nail on the head there

      WHO CARES !

      someone below thinks vegans are higher evolved so for a laff im gonna have a think and reply to them with a smart answer to start a debate but to be honest i fink the best way to be is subjective my sisters vegetarian and i praise her for having strong beliefs but i could never deny myself a steak or a bacon sarny on princible that i drool wen i smell it

      keep up the good atitude mate. every1 cud do wiv takin a leaf out of your book.

       

      BEFORE disliking some1, walk a mile in there shoes and if you still dont like them…….

      Your a mile ahead n youve got their shoes haha

      • Meat Eating Hunting Knife says:

        I have no problem with peoples’ choices of food and diets. What I do have a problem with are people who become almost religious about it. Still, that too is their choice, and it is their right and their Constitutional right to share that with others.

         

        But, the basic premises of animal rights are nonsense. I believe in animal welfare, not animal rights. This means that we have a right to be good stewards over nature and the animals, and use them, and even KILL, BUTCHER, RAISE, FRY, BOIL BAKE and devour them for food. Animal rights is a disgusting nonsense that teaches that humans and animals are equals and animals have the same basic rights as humans. Thats ridiculous. I am also prejudiced: I believe cats and dogs need special protection as animals (not as humans) as opposed to Live Stock: Cows, Pigs, Horses, Fish, Birds, etc. Reptiles are unable to show love to humans.

         

         

        Eating meat is good for you. Ofcourse, we should eat things in moderation. But human diets need animal products in this world.

         

         

  9. Anonymous says:

    Most babies start reaching for food they can see on your plate before six months.   There are people who believe in postponing introducing solid foods, 11 months is quite extreme.  so either the baby was prevented from eating solids or had something wrong with it that prevented it from eating solids.  The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild.

  10. susette says:

    Most babies start reaching for food they can see on your plate before six months.   There are people who believe in postponing introducing solid foods, 11 months is quite extreme.  so either the baby was prevented from eating solids or had something wrong with it that prevented it from eating solids.  The lack of solid food is the problem not the composition of the breast mild.

  11. Ian Wendt says:

     I love how all the vegans come out of the woodwork when somebody dares to say anything bad about veganism. Interestingly enough, that’s a similar response that you see when someone points out bad things about any given religion. 

  12. Anonymous says:

    What happened to this child is truly unfortunate however I cant believe that  veganism would be the cause. An appearingly healthy woman who feeds her child her breastmilk is clearly trying to care for her child. There is more to this story than shown here. 

     

    I would like to point out my quiet, deep, sadness and loud, angry condemnation that the average American household feeds their children pestisice and hormone poisend  trash as food. I would like to see more people arrested for having obese children due to their lack of true care and consern for the childs mental and physical development. The damage is unmeasurable and will eventually lead to cancer, diabetes, heart problems, emotional distress  aand even death in a majority of this uncared for children. 

     

    We can point our fingers at the vegans but truly the vegans who are neglegent are more rare than the omnivores who are neglegent but since veganism is  ’different ‘ it makes the headlines and the omnivores who are cramming their children full of fat and garbage can shake their heads and feel better than someone else.They will judge, blog and condem others as they poison thier own children. The people doing the most damage to children will never make the headlines because it is so prevelent and has become acceptable in our society.

    Everyday is a day is a day for quiet deep saddness. 

    • Anonymous says:

       OK OK I GET IT. BUT PEOPLE LISTEN TO YOURSELVES! THE FACT IS WHILE VEGANISM IS OK FOR ADULTS ITS NOT FOR YOUR CHILD.  HEALTH CLASS IN 8TH GRADE SHOULD HAVE TAUGHT YOU THAT!  I FEEL FOR THE MOTHER SHE WAS PROBABLY JUST AS IGNORANT ABOUT WHAT A BABY NEEDS TO SUSTAIN LIFE AS MOST PEOPLE ARE VEGAN OR NOT! KEYWORD: BABY….NOT ADULT.  IT DOESNT TAKE A ROCKET SCIENCE TO KNOW THAT BREASTMILK FROM VEGANS LACK THE NUTRIENTS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN A BABY!  A BABY! A BABY! WHICH CANT TELL HIS MOM, GIVE ME SOME REAL MILK DAMNIT!  FURTHERMORE, IT WAS NEGLECT! THE BABY SHOULD HAVE ALSO BEEN EATING SOLIDS.  MAYBE THEN WHAT LACKED IN ‘YOUR’ BODY WOULD’VE HAVE COME FROM SOLIDS VEGAN OR NOT!  DUH!  NEGLECT IS NEGLECT NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT! FRANKLY COMMON SENSE SHOULD HAVE HAD A ROLE IN IT WHEN THE KID WASN’T GAINING WEIGHT!!!!!!   RE-EDUCATION!!!!

      • Anonymous says:

         Why in the world would veganism be ok for adults if it isn’t for kids? At what age or stage of development do our bodies grow three extra stomachs, our canines disappear and our brains shrink? If her milk was insufficient because she was vegan then that just goes to show that adults should also not be vegan. Breast is best, so why not eat to make breastfeeding even better? 

      • Anonymous says:

         Yes, neglect is the cause  of death and extreme vegan ideology. The parents were clearly blinded by their beliefs in their diet and their infant suffered the consequences. Poor nutrition equals illness and death. The infant suffered horribly. 

    • Ian Wendt says:

      What you are forgetting is that while there are more omnivores that are guilty of child neglect, there are also far more omnivores overall. So when a vegan parent effectively kills their own child by neglect, it stands out so much more because percentage wise there are very few vegans. Especially of the very strict persuasion. 

       

  13. Anonymous says:

    Stop blaming Veganism. There is nothing wrong with Veganism. The article is obviously a harassment agains the One True Diet. Vegans are higher on the ethic evolutionary ladder, and there are a lot of lesser people that are envious about this. Hence we see such obvious slander and lies as in the article.

    • Anonymous says:

       Wow. You need to look harder at the science. I’m not opposed to religion, but it is obvious the way you talk (and many other vegans) that the "One True Diet" is more about religious fanatacism than it is about health. Take some biochemistry classes and learn how to read and analyze scientific data, then you’ll see the light.

    • redbaron says:

       Basically you are wrong. there is no "one true diet". And this isn’t the first child to die from veganism. In fact, speaking of evolution, the reason there are populations on this planet that can survive childhood on a vegan diet is due to evolution. Namely the children unable to metabolise the nutrients missing in a vegan diet died and never reproduced. However, this extreme diet comes mostly from ahimsa in the eastern religions. How many MILLIONS of children from Idia have starved throughout history?  And I don’t think westerners want to kill off their babies to give evolution a chance to select for vegetarians.

       

      Simple fact of the matter, all humans need nutrients derived from animal products, or a synthetic supplement, ESPECIALLY children. Even Indian children do better. How moral is it to save a cow and kill your own child? What ethical or moral superiority is that?

    • MR. Contradition says:

      Please allow me to pull your head out of your jaxy b4 you suffercate!

      Vegans are by no means higher evolved than any one else.You can live a perfectly healthy diet on plant based foods BUT, (and i bet EVEN YOU didnt know this haha) you can also thrive on a 100% animal based diet! Look at the escimoes, they cant grow vegatables in the snow but they get all there vitamins and nutrients from every part of the animals they catch,(brains,stomach,eyes). I personaly prefer a varied diet and belive that the human body is the most clever thing in the world, so i listen to mine when it dribbles over a bacon sandwich haha. BUT im not gonna tell you that is better than what your doing but i WILL tell you now, its that (YOUR) level of ignorance that killed that baby.

      Now lets properly knock you off your high horse, (or high broccily or whatever vegatable you see fit to ride).

      You wanna debate your evolutionary status to mine OK lets do it !

      I would kill ANY animal, including men (inhumanly if neccesary), in a heartbeat for my family with NO remorse. Now i dont mean only if they were starving, i mean if my mom said " i feel peckish kill that cow ", i would not hesitate. 

      WOULD YOU ???

      I would personally TORCHER AND KILL every cow, sheep, dog, rat, badger and mouse on this planet just to save ONE baby/infants life.

      WOULD YOU ???

      If you said no to either of those questions, i am actualy higher evolved than you, heres why:      

      Question one – This evaluates family loyalty/trust/relationship strength. If i am prepared to do more for my family than you, evolution dictates my family tree will survive, thus evolve at an advantage to yours.

      Question two - I hope you agree with me that paternal insticts are vital to evolution. If i will do more to protect a child than you then my VITAL ,paternal insticts are stronger than yours, Therfore giving me an irrafutable, evolutionary advantage.

      These are cold, hard facts NOT opinions if you said no to either of them, then by definition, i (the rudementary meat eater haha) am higher evolved than you.

      If you said yes than maybe were not so different after all and we can both learn from each other. Please for your own sake open your mind up abit !

      My sister has been a strict veggy since she was old enough to talk and neither of us has EVER once tried to convert the other, NOT EVEN a mention of it, because we were raised to believe we are all entitled to our own opinion as long as its not hurting anyone(any human that is)

      REMEMBER THIS: At one point we ALL knew nothink and NOBODY knows everythink.

      It dont matter what you eat, do, live, wear or sing just listen to your mind, body and soul and if it gives you a warning signal LISTEN to it !

      i will say in advance before anyone rips the pi$$ out of me, I KNOW my spelling is aporling hahaha, aporling i bet thats even spelt rong (hows that for irony) but i got expelled from school at the start of year 10 for chongin weed and i bet i know alot for my age (22) so i genuinly dont care about my spelling, to the point were i have not botherd to learn so any insults in that arena will fall on deaf ears haha

      cor 9:22    "Be all things to all men"

       

       

       

      • Anonymous says:

         Ok, as a fellow omnivore, can I ask you to not sound so extreme? I think you could have made your point without mentioning torture. If you’re getting a healthy dose of animal foods, you have the capability to reason better than this. I like your overall point, but please don’t make omnivores look bad. Another part of human survival has to do with relationships with other humans, so don’t forget to consider that in your comments. I will add to your comment in saying this: not long ago it was common medical knowledge that Eskimos (largely carnivorous) did not get cancer. It was just unheard of for them to get it– that is until they started eating our modern, processed foods. Plant foods have obvious health benefits, but meat is 100 times more nutrient dense than plant foods and organ meats are 100 times more nutrient dense than muscle meats. Most modern omnivores are deficient, but it isn’t because they eat animal products. Its all about the way our food is grown, raised and processed as well as how we prepare our foods. How many Americans do you know eat liver regularly? Pastured poultry or eggs? Raw milk? Not a lot, but the ones that do are the healthiest by far. Also, diets rich in the properly raised animal foods create the best fertility and the most healthy babies. Now that is proof enough that vegans are not superbly evolved.

    • MR. Contradition says:

      Please allow me to pull your head out of your jaxy b4 you suffercate!

      Vegans are by no means higher evolved than any one else.You can live a perfectly healthy diet on plant based foods BUT, (and i bet EVEN YOU didnt know this haha) you can also thrive on a 100% animal based diet! Look at the escimoes, they cant grow vegatables in the snow but they get all there vitamins and nutrients from every part of the animals they catch,(brains,stomach,eyes). I personaly prefer a varied diet and belive that the human body is the most clever thing in the world, so i listen to mine when it dribbles over a bacon sandwich haha. BUT im not gonna tell you that is better than what your doing but i WILL tell you now, its that (YOUR) level of ignorance that killed that baby.

      Now lets properly knock you off your high horse, (or high broccily or whatever vegatable you see fit to ride).

      You wanna debate your evolutionary status to mine OK lets do it !

      I would kill ANY animal, including men (inhumanly if neccesary), in a heartbeat for my family with NO remorse. Now i dont mean only if they were starving, i mean if my mom said " i feel peckish kill that cow ", i would not hesitate. 

      WOULD YOU ???

      I would personally TORCHER AND KILL every cow, sheep, dog, rat, badger and mouse on this planet just to save ONE baby/infants life.

      WOULD YOU ???

      If you said no to either of those questions, i am actualy higher evolved than you, heres why:      

      Question one – This evaluates family loyalty/trust/relationship strength. If i am prepared to do more for my family than you, evolution dictates my family tree will survive, thus evolve at an advantage to yours.

      Question two - I hope you agree with me that paternal insticts are vital to evolution. If i will do more to protect a child than you then my VITAL ,paternal insticts are stronger than yours, Therfore giving me an irrafutable, evolutionary advantage.

      These are cold, hard facts NOT opinions if you said no to either of them, then by definition, i (the rudementary meat eater haha) am higher evolved than you.

      If you said yes than maybe were not so different after all and we can both learn from each other. Please for your own sake open your mind up abit !

      My sister has been a strict veggy since she was old enough to talk and neither of us has EVER once tried to convert the other, NOT EVEN a mention of it, because we were raised to believe we are all entitled to our own opinion as long as its not hurting anyone(any human that is)

      REMEMBER THIS: At one point we ALL knew nothink and NOBODY knows everythink.

      It dont matter what you eat, do, live, wear or sing just listen to your mind, body and soul and if it gives you a warning signal LISTEN to it !

      i will say in advance before anyone rips the pi$$ out of me, I KNOW my spelling is aporling hahaha, aporling i bet thats even spelt rong (hows that for irony) but i got expelled from school at the start of year 10 for chongin weed and i bet i know alot for my age (22) so i genuinly dont care about my spelling, to the point were i have not botherd to learn so any insults in that arena will fall on deaf ears haha

      cor 9:22    "Be all things to all men"

       

       

       

    • OBSESSED OMNIVORES STARVED BABY

      OBSESSED OMNIVORE COUPLE STARVED THEIR BABY:

      A couple left their baby daughter to starve to death at home while playing an Internet game which simulated child-rearing, police said Friday. The man aged 41 and his 25-year-old wife were arrested Thursday, five months after they reported the death of their three-month-old baby, a police investigator told AFP.The father met his wife in 2008 through the Internet. They had been on the run since their baby died."They were formally arrested yesterday," the investigator said, declining to give details. The couple were not vegans, the couple in this incident that starved their baby and were arrested by police were MEAT-EATERS.

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      Note – Please be sure to spread the word about this Paleolithic "Caveman Diet" blog here which first set out to publicize a vegan incident but in the end turns out to show that for every vegan incident there are tens, if not hundreds and thousands of baby infants killed by omnivores hunters neanderthal caveman dieters and meat based diet parents each year. — Be SURE to credit "John Durant" with being the source of a blog advocating that people adopt the Behavior of a neanderthal, and a Caveman mentality life style. The results of parenting and making choices and acting like a paleolithic Cro Magnon in life are now visible, as all readers can now see the effect of a paleo meat-based Omnivore diet: Over 300000 infant babies sickened in critical condition, and whopping volumes more baby deaths due to paleolithic hunter-gatherer and/or omnivores than this 1 or handful of vegan incidents. This is not even counting yet, the number of LEAD POISONING incidents of people and children due to "Hunter" Gatherers who feed game to themselves or their child which has been contaminated by hunting with LEAD shot and thus the killed game is akin to feeding ones child pieces of Lead Paint chips. Nevertheless, thanks to this blog, it now reveals Documented legal cases and prosecutions of meat-eating omnivores as parents dominate in huge volumes of numbers implicated in tens if not hundreds and thousands of baby deaths.

      • Anonymous says:

         Ok, just because those stupid parents were omnivores certainly does not mean they had the same diet as the hunter-gatherer (from whom you evolved). The Paleo lifestyle promotes a minimalist approach to technology, so you are putting two totally different things in the same category. Also, for every vegan there are thousands of non-vegans, so obviously there will be more reports of abuse and neglect in non-vegan households– that’s just statistics. That’s just like when the FDA or USDA try to say that raw milk is "inherently dangerous" when a few people supposedly get sick from raw milk– even though according to CDC statistics a person is 22,000 times more likely to get sick from any other food than they are from raw milk (that IS taking into account that only a small percent of Americans drink raw milk). If you did more research, you’d understand why the vegan diet is under attack– it isn’t healthy. However, can I just say that I think the prosecution of these obviously well-intentioned parents is a much worse crime than passionately believing misguided information.

      • SG says:

        Dude.  You are totally missing the point.  These people weren’t distracted because they were out all night searching for their next soy burger.  They actually lacked the nutrients necessary to sustain life.  The point is that a human cannot thrive, and in this case survive, on a vegan diet.

        • Lilamedusa says:

          Yes, he is missing the point. No, you are not unable to "thrive" on a vegan diet. I’ve been vegan for quite a while now and I ASSURE there has never been a time in my life when I’ve felt better with my body and with myself.

           

          Babies can and have survived and thrived while being on a vegan diet. Lots of people are vegan and are quite outstanding, and I’m not talking about this so called stars like Alicia Silverstone and Pamela Anderson. People like Einstein, Gaudí, Diogenes, Ghandi, Kafka, Plato, Plutarch, Queen Sophie, Pithagoras, Emerson, Tolstoy, Da Vinci (presumably), Isaac Newton, Socrathes, Edison were all vegetarian or vegans. Most of them lived in countries where neither the use of milk and even eggs was not popular. And I cannot honestly think of people more "thriving", given that most of the things you say, eat, do, read or see are here thanks to them.

           

          If you require "newer" personalities, athletes such as: Salim Stoudamire, Scott Jurek, Pat Neshek and Fiona Oakes are all all vegans. Not vegetarian, but vegan. The list of actors, singers and musicians vegan is endless but Paul McCrtney, Vanessa Williams, Olivia Wilden and Oliver Stykes are some of my personal favourites, and I think they excell and what they do, more so than some eat-meaters.

           

          Please check your facts before typing.

          • Anonymous says:

             Wait. How long exactly have you been purely vegan? Might I ask how many cavities you’ve had since becoming vegan? Also, I’ve never seen a healthy vegan child, so you need to check your facts. I’m studying to be a natuopathic doctor and I’ve investigated this a ton because I wanted to honestly know if veganism is better. I even tried it out for a short period with terrible results. (And it wasn’t a junk vegan diet either.) Also, where did you hear that all these historical figures were vegetarian or vegan? You might want to question your source of information. 

          • Ian Wendt says:

             That doesn’t change the fact that we are fundamentally not biologically equipped to survive on a vegan diet without extensive supplementation of vital nutrients. Anybody that thinks otherwise are just kidding themselves. 

          • Anonymous says:

             Uh, yeah. How is this not obvious? Are these vegans that post really purely vegan? If so, I’m thinking they haven’t really been vegan for very long. I’ve met a lof of vegans, but none that had been practicing more than ten years and still maintained good health. Anyone heard of Lierre Kieth? 

          • lilamedusa says:

            Well, then name a nutrient, and I tell you, ANY nutrient you name, if necessary for human health, can be found in a fruit or vegetable. Anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding theirselves.

            In fact, I can tell you, your body is not equipped to deal with the monstrous ammounts of meat you eat every day.

            My vegan diet – supplemented to me by my doctor, who has a degree in medicine and several masters in different kinds of nutrition – is not "extensive". In fact, the  largest ammount of food revommended to me is that one of wednesdays – a veggie hamburger with two cups of brocoli, two tomatoes and 500 ml of water.

            I believe that’s not much more than what you normally have for lunch, with your meat and all.

          • Anonymous says:

             Good for you that you think you’re getting enough nutrients. So, just curious, where do you get your vitamin A? (Clue: beta carotene is not vitamin A and most humans cannot adequately convert it to enough vitamin A to maintain good health. The only bioavailable sources of vitamin A come from animals.) Also, soy has been proven to increase the body’s need for vitamin B as well as being very connected to diseases like Alzheimer’s & Parkinson’s. 

          • celt130 says:

            Really, There is NO vitamin D in plants, there is NO taurine in plants, There is NO absorbed b12 in plants, there is only DHA/EPA in some seaweeds not in land based plants. There is hardly any iodine in plants depending on there location. Non-heme iron is less absorbed then heme iron exept with the help of vitamin C. Calcium is less absorbed coming from plants. Also soy, coffee and other plant products are well known to block the absorbtion of some micro-nutrients. There is hardly any Methionine and Lysine in plant food. The same with selenium depending on the soil content. There are a lot of micro-nutrients are linked together, missing one will lead to more problems with another.

            Don’t get fooled by people who never produce any scientific proof of what they are saying.

          • Ian Wendt says:

             Sure. B12. Good luck getting that from a plant source. 

          • Hal says:

            Brewer’s yeast

          • Hal says:

            Brewer’s yeast

          • lilamedusa says:

            B12?

            Nuts have it. Cereals have it. Soy milk has it. Cooking your food with margarine also helps tp the formation of b12 (just found out!). And of course, avocado.

            By the way, B12 is found in microorganisms that grow in earth, water and in the intestins – reason why is it so easy to find in animals. What I’m trying to say is that b12 is a dirty vitamin, it grows in dirt. That’s why is it so hard to find B12 in vegetables this days, we just clean them too much (I am not, by any means, implying that we should not). That is the reason why most vegetarian animals do not need to extract them from animals sources, they eat raw vegetables, just as they find it, with mud and dirt. That is also the reason why humans – before eating meat – did not lack it.

          • Ian Wendt says:

             Ok, now you’re just making stuff up. B12 is ONLY found in animal-based foods. Please do your research. Saying it’s in cereals and soy milk shows you’re clearly missing the point as in cereals and soy milk it is ADDED. B12 in animals that don’t consume meat is produced by the sizable amounts of bacteria in their guts or by eating their own fecal matter. You see rabbits do that for instance. We, as humans, don’t have the same kind of digestive systems. The kind of B12 they add to foods, including grains, cereals, milk, etc etc, is derived from bacteria. Grown artificially, in other words. 

             

            Another nutrient is vitamin D. No really good plant sources and most the stuff that you buy as a supplement or that is used to supplement foods with like milk, is derived from wool fat that is processed to produce cholecalciferol. The only plant source requires extensive processing and is not something you can just buy at the grocery store and then cook yourself. 

             

            And just for the record, we’ve been eating meat for as long as we’ve been humans and our predecessors ate meat too. Even our current cousins, the chimpanzees ingest a sizable amount of animal protein on a daily basis. Yes, this even goes for the Bonobos. 

             

          • lilamedusa says:

            Making stuff up? Of course I’m not.

            When I say B12 is a dirty vitamin, I mean that the bacteria that produces it is found in dirt. This kind of bacteria can be found in unclean water, in dirt, and in the intestines and anuses of some animals. Therefore, B12 could be found in plants because they were unwashed, and that’s the way people ate them (or poorly washed them). As a consequence, B12 deficiency had never been a real problem. But now, our fruits and vegetables are to clean, therefore, the soil does not stick to the food, whereas meat has it because animals do eat the soil.

            I had just found out about the margarin thing (by the way, this is my source: http://www.ehow.com/facts_4793819_vitamin-b-vegetables.html and http://www.diethealthclub.com/food-source-for-essential-vitamins/vitamin-b12-sources.html )

            Even though I cannot find more than two sources of B12 on avocadoes (which is sad, because I am so sure of it) I have found a page which claims (please note that I’m not sure about this) that there are algae and species which posess B12 (http://www.wholefoodcatalog.info/nutrient/vitamin_b12%28cyanocobalamin%29/cereals/high/). Must pages, however, do defend the idea of B12 in fermented vegetal butter – which is, by the way, the more comercial one – and nuts. Most of the places I visited are vegan or vgetarian, though, so they may be biased.

            I’ll agree to disagree in the fact that humans have eaten meat for as long as they (us) have been human, for not only is it a controversial topic, it’s yet to be defined. There are still people who claim (and do a good show of it) that we were created by god and were originaly born as Adan and Ev) and there are people who will assure you that we were given intelligence by UFO’s. What it IS true is that our closest famiy are apes, who are vegetarian.

             I’ll agree with you on soy milk.

            PS: I have to go, so if you answer, know that I don’t stop answering because I don’t want to.

          • celt130 says:

            The absorbtion of the B12 vitamin is not possible in humans because it is extracted in our small intestines and a little in our colon. Opposed to herbivores animals where the extraction is done in there rummen or in there stomach with the help of a special enzyme. The fact there is or not B12 on plants doesn’t count as humans cannot absorb it.

            Blogs are not considered as medical proof exept if they produce scientific references.

            Even in 3 world countries with there poor hygiene there has never been any healthy vegan community with enough B12. They are all vegetarians. Now if you advocate eating your own crap to get your B12 be my guest, great apes do it.

             

          • Hal says:

            If we can’t absorb it, how would we get it from meat?

          • Hal says:

            If we can’t absorb it, how would we get it from meat?

          • Anonymous says:

             wow. lol at all of this.

          • steyr_m says:

            So what? Hitler was a vegetarian too. 

          • lilamedusa says:

            Yes, and he was a bloody genius. A cruel one, mind you, I’m not saying he was a good guy. He did aweful things, but that doesn’t take away the fact that he was smart . We are not discussing the values of vegetarian people, we are discussing wether they are able to thrive in a vegan diet.

          • Anonymous says:

            McCrtney? Socrathes? Please check your spelling before posting.
            Also?
            Einstein was not a vegetarian during the most productive years of his life. Rather, it appears from his writings that he was a proponent of vegetarianism for some uncertain number of years but only practiced it himself for the last year of his life.
            “Although I have been prevented by outward circumstances from observing a strictly vegetarian diet, I have long been an adherent to the cause in principle. Besides agreeing with the aims of vegetarianism for aesthetic and moral reasons, it is my view that a vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.” Translation of letter to Hermann Huth, December 27, 1930. Einstein Archive 46-756
            Please recheck your facts before typing.

          • lilamedusa says:

            Einstein is just one of the many people I mentioned, so I still don’t see your point. A for the mistakes, they’re typos, everyone makes it, despite of your sudden need of perfection, and I will remain making them. I’m sorry, but I’m not about to check thoroughly my writing.

            As for my facts, I’ll checked them alright. However, it still doesn’t change the facts. There are thousands of vegan and vegetarian people around the world. We live happily, and – forgive me if I dare to say so, I’m generalizing and assuming we all live the way I and my friends do – healthy.

            We thrive in our life style, we feel better with ourselves and enjoy and cherish every meal. And, unlike most people, we actually know what’s in our food, because we took the time to investigate.

            And I don’t check my typing. And I may have bad grammar. So? Sue me, English is my second language and I’m not interested enough to second check every single thing I write.

          • Anonymous says:

             You are completely missing the point of the entire discussion. Vegans can indeed thrive and live a perfectly healthy lifestyle. What this story is demonstrating is that if a vegan mother is going to breastfeed, she needs to be especially careful about keeping up her intake of essential vitamins in order for her child to thrive. These nutrients are far more important to a developing infant than an adult and deficiency can indeed kill a newborn child. Therefore a vegan mother must take more care than a non-vegan mother (whose intake of these vitamins, particularly A and B12, will be at higher levels) lest she inadvertently cause harm to her child.

            THAT is the point. It isn’t a war between vegan parents and non-vegan parents who neglect their children.

    • Yet Another French Omnivore Kills

      NEWS: ANOTHER FRENCH OMNIVORE KILLS 3 OF HER NEWBORNS:

      "The case in Villiers-au-Tertre is only the most recent example of a father of slain babies being apparently unaware of his wife’s pregnancies. Four other such cases since 2003 include that of Véronique Courjault, 42, (a meat eating  omnivore) who was convicted in June 2009 of killing three of her newborns — two of whom she hid in a freezer"

      Yet another meat-eater parent has killed 3 newborns. She put them in the freezer with the other food.

      Put "Véronique Courjault killed 3 newborns" into GOOGLE to see for yourself.

      The terrible story of this meat-eater putting her dead babies in with her other food in her freezer is yet another instance of infant deaths as a result of omnivores. It was showcased in TIME MAGAZINE.

       

       

       

    • MEATEATER KILLS 8 BABIES

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      MEAT EATER KILLS 8 OF HER OWN BABIES

      NEWS: "The discovery on Wednesday of 8 infants allegedly smothered to death and buried by their mother in northern France."

      "It’s the fifth instance of multiple infanticide..This latest case of newborn murder in France was uncovered in the northern town of Villiers-au-Tertre, after eight tiny bodies were found buried in the gardens of two separate homes. 6 of the baby cadavers were unearthed on July 29 by police at the house of Dominique Cottrez, 45, (a meat eater) , and her husband Pierre-Marie, 47 (also an omnivore).

      "Investigators searched their home after the resident of a house previously owned by Dominique’s parents turned up two tiny bodies on July 24 while digging a pool in the backyard."

      Endnote:
      ADD 8 MORE TO THE NUMBER OF BABIES KILLED BY NON-VEGANS. THIS 1 MEAT-EATER KILLED 8 BABIES.

      GOOGLE: "French Mother confesses to 8 baby murders" to see the News Article.

    • MEAT KILLS 4-BABIES

      News Bulletin: "Four more children dead from eating meat"

      DATELINE: USA

      News:  "Four more children lay dead from hemolytic uremic syndrome from eating Hamburgers"

       

      Meat is known to contain verotoxin and "EHEC" (Enterohemorrhagic E. coli). Eating a diet of such meat causes severe oliguria, hematuria, microangiopathic hemolytic animia, and in some patients prominent nurologic changes.

      in other words…

      Despite attempts to blame B12 or plant-based diets for neurological problems, meat diets which have meat containing EHEC contains much more dangerous toxin levels that can cause brain damage. Eaters of such meat may develop abnormal brain damage.

      And scientific testing confirms that despite claims of plant diets causing anemia, it is meat-based diets wherein eating such meat can result in anemia. Omnivore meat-diets can cause ANEMIA.

      Meat-based diets have been found the culprit in the cause of HEMOLYTIC UREMIC SYNDROME baby deaths.

      Meat-eating parents, believing meat to be nutritious, fed their children meat, and 100% beef, and hamburgers, as a result, 4 babies lay dead.

      OMNIVORE PARENTS HAVE KILLED 4 MORE CHILDREN.

      Meat-based diets have resulted in 4 more infant deaths, and sickened 600 more babies, from hemolytic uremic syndrome from eating meat.

      The "carnivore" parents who killed this latest round of their own children gave their children hamburgers which were "100% beef". The verotoxin in the meat resulted in over 600 people hospitalized or sick, and left 4 babies dead.

      To obtain the info on this, put "MEAT 4 CHILDREN DIED of hemolytic uremic syndrome" into GOOGLE

      …and you can read for yourself how omnivore parents feeding their child beef lead to the deaths of 4 children from eating meat.

      ADD 4 MORE CHILD DEATHS, AND 600 SICKENED TO THE OMNIVORE DIET CHILD-DEATH TOTAL.

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      Note to all users: This blog site "Hunter-Gatherer" about Paleo diets, ironically, can now be used as an example of the evidence AGAINST meat-based diets, and paleo diets. In other words, visitors who are drawn here thinking that this blog article shows yet more evidence ‘against’ vegan, vegetarian, or plant based diets, will now see the News that this 1 vegan event, and even citing several more, is actually rather rare, and are absolutely dwarfed by the 300,000 and more cases of baby sickenings and deaths from paleo primal omnivore and MEAT based omnivore diets.

      Indeed, the more a meat based diet advocate expounds their astonishment or disfavor as to the 1 or few cases of somewhat rare vegan instances, it means that same meat-eater should be equally if not MORE concerned and warned after learning that meat has caused a whopping 300-thousand babies to be put in critical condition, and that meat-eating omnivore parents have lead to far Greater numbers of infants dead. Afterall, their own meat-based diets have resulted in even more babies’ deaths.

      NEWS: 600 MORE HUMAN LIVES DAMAGED, AND 4 CHILDREN LEFT DEAD IN LATEST MEAT BASED DIET INCIDENT.

       

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    • OMNIVORES KILL MORE CHILDREN

      Breaking News: "Non Vegans have killed 6 more baby infants"

      6 babies deaths have now been attributed to drinking cow’s milk.

      In 2008, omnivore parents feeding their children milk-based Dairy and Animal Products lead to the deaths of 6 children, and 300,000 more babies were hospitalized in critical condition.

      Milk and dairy prouducts, such as the cow’s milk that the omnivore parents gave to their children, is known to contain levels of cyanuric acid, and feeding the animal products to their children left 6 babies dead, and 300-thousand more babies in severe condition.

      The company that provided the milk and dairy products for the infants was eventually forced to shut down. The meat-eating parents who fed their babies animal products thinking they were healthy hurt 300,000 babies and left 6 babies dead.

      If a case of 1 vegan ( one, or even finding a dozen, a 12-out-of-6 billion annual rate ), or lesser soy infant formula citations seem concerning, then view the following:

      For More Details: Put "Sick List Soars in Baby Milk Scandal" into GOOGLE and read it.

      …and view how NON vegan omnivores who fed babies Cow’s Milk, Dairy, Animal Products poisoned 300-Thousand babies, forcing them to be hospitalized with cyanuric acid poisoning and infant kidney damage, and leaving 6x TIMES as many babies dead from an animal product based diet.

      300,005 MORE cases of babies will need to be found in order for vegan cases would surpass the number or rate of infants harmed by omnivorous parents with a meat-based agenda imposing animal product based diets on their babies.

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    • Non-Vegan Mother kills own baby – Child scalded to Death over Parents pursuit of Meat-based-Diet

       

      <strong>News Alert!: OMNIVORE Mother Kills Her Baby Infant</strong>

      Meateater’s pursuit of chicken wings leaves child scalded to death

      COLORADO Daily News

      A Colorado Springs woman has been charged with first-degree murder and fatal child abuse after her 9-month-old infant son drowned to death in scalding water while she allegedly left the home to obtain cigarettes and chicken wings.

      Meat eater Estella Toleafoa was charged Monday. The non-vegetarian is being held on a whopping 150,000 dlrs bond.

      An arrest warrant affidavit for the Omnivore said that residue and pieces of her baby’s scalded skin were found stuck to the bathtub.

      If convicted of first-degree murder, she would face a mandatory sentence of life in prison without parole. The child abuse resulting in death charge carries a sentence range of 16 to 48 years in prison.

      The non-vegan neglected her child and left her baby at home exposed to hot water as she went out to obtain and eat chicken meat.

      Note: Put "Non-Vegan Mother Kills Baby" into GOOGLE to see the News of the meat-eating mother that left her infant scalded to death in pursuit of her meat-diet.

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  14. C.C says:

    I’m sure more children will die out of eating bacon sandwiches and fried chicken. Cause it’s kinda already happening…fablefoods.blogspot.com

  15. C.C says:

    I’m sure more children will die out of eating bacon sandwiches and fried chicken. Cause it’s kinda already happening…fablefoods.blogspot.com

  16. ro says:

    Oh, c’mon, why did you feel the need to post that?  

    It’s entirely inappropriate and completely insensitive of you to raise a personal – if preventable – tragedy in the context of your blog.  What are you trying to say?  And to whom?

    If you have access to the complete medical history of this child and the full autopsy finding, you’d have every right to offer informed comment.  If you don’t, a silent prayer of thanks you weren’t in their shoes would have been sufficient.

    Get a grip.

  17. Ian Wendt says:

     Veganism and ignorance are equally at fault here, I think. Definitely falls on the parents. Their child, they’re responsible. They obviously ignored a multitude of signs that something was horribly wrong, and the end result is a dead infant.

     

    I’ve seen a plethora of commentary on this case, most of it incredibly ignorant as well. Things like "they should have weaned the child", "why weren’t they giving her solid foods", etc etc. There seems to be a lot of misconceptions about breastfeeding and its value. Hell, some of the medical advice out there is effectively assuming that breastmilk isn’t adequate nutrition for an infant, which is clearly a retarded thing to say. With a good diet, like Paleo or PB, human milk is more than adequate nutrition for any growing infant, short of any pathologies complicating matters. But if the mother is herself deficient… That changes everything. B12 and Iodine are very common deficiencies in Vegans. Both can have potentially devastating effects on infants, such as pernicious anemia and cretinism just to name a few.

    There is no excuse for what happened here. These parents should frankly go to jail.

  18. Wow. Too bad such ignorance runs rampant. Sad indeed.

  19. It’s indeed very sad.

    As an European living in several European countries I have a hard time to understand why the government/social servcies/peditrician were not calling out a warning sooner than this. I raised three babies in three different European countries and it’s my experience that the doctors or other government people get too involved. I was harrassed to start feeding my girl at 4 months old since the doctor thought she was too thin, which she wasn’t, she just part Italian instead of German..The parents are not without responsibility, that’s not what I mean, but sadly they thought they were doing the right thing . With so much propaganda for a vegan diet many never discover that it is not the best  diet.

  20. Sarah says:

    Veganism did not cause this baby’s death – STARVATION did.  Probably brought on by the mother’s low milk supply, which was possibly influenced by veganism but by no means absolutely.  Yes, the baby was vitamin-deficient, but that usually makes a child that young mildly ill and growth-retarded at worst.  The problem was that the mother had supply issues (my bet would be a lack of adequate knowledge about breastfeeding generally – a problem to place squarely at the feet of the medical establishment, NOT the mother)  and yet was still exclusively breastfeeding.  At 11 mo the baby COULD have been getting more than enough food (even vegan food) from non-breast sources.

    Blaming veganism is too easy – we don’t know enough about this case and it’s just very very sad all round.

    I should add that I’m not a vegan and I think veganism is a really, really bad idea for nursing moms and babies.  BUT on its own it doesn’t cause death.  Overreacting to this won’t do the paleo cause any good at all.

    • Rafael says:

      So, Who do we blame??  The baby??  He did not have any say on the way he was fed, It is full parentś responsability. They should have seek info on vegetarian style eating for babies (if that exists, which I deeply doubt)

      http://livinprimal.blogspot.com

    • Heidi says:

      You can’t blame veganism for this.  Maybe poor education on a balanced vegan diet.  I was vegan during my 2nd pregnancy, while still breast feeding my 1 1/2 year old, who was exclusively breast fed till somewhere around 11 months, and a very healthy chunky baby.  At the birth of my 2nd childe, my midwife and her assistant were astounded by the large, healthy massive placenta, and wanted to take a picture of it to share with the midwiferly board, as a testimony that you can be vegan and have a healthy pregnancy and baby.  It is possible to get all the nutrition your body needs from plant sources, as long as you are eating a wide variety of foods.  If you get stuck in a rut, then you might not be getting the variety you need, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.  This is very sad, and horrible that the parents are on trial during this time of immense grief. 

      • Ian Wendt says:

         Even the  most devout Vegan researchers admit begrudgingly that there are no good plant sources of vitamin B12. 

        • Angiemonster says:

          actually, nutritional yeast is a great source of b12 and can be added in small amounts to all of your food without changing the taste or texture. 

          • celt130 says:

            There are plenty of vegan sources proving this wrong. Yeast is a source if it is treaten by a chemical manipulation by man. That is not natural at all.

          • Ian Wendt says:

             Nutritional yeast that has any useful amount of B12 vitamin is artificially fortified with a bacteria-derived vitamin B12. Good for most of the B-Complex vitamins but not B12.

          • Lilamedusa says:

            Most researchers don’t even know how many B12 do we actually need, so how would you even know which food gives you all the B12 you need?

            But cereals and soy milk do have B12 and most concerned vegans eat B12 in multivitamins. The fault was on the parents, theye were sadly missinformed. But meat-eater’s children die too from malnutrition, and few falult that on their beliefs. So let’s stop judging based on that, please.

        • Angiemonster says:

          actually, nutritional yeast is a great source of b12 and can be added in small amounts to all of your food without changing the taste or texture. 

    • Calvin says:

       I don’t see at all how you can blame the medical establishment for the baby’s death… It is entirely the parent’s fault. It  was their responsibility to educate themselves about breastfeeding and any deficiencies their vegan diets could cause. You’re completely right that most vitamin deficiencies aren’t this serious-which to me says that there would have been really obvious signs there was something wrong with the baby and they should have brought her to a hospital sooner. But I wasn’t there so who knows, maybe the parents were smallish or pale people and reasonably didn’t realize. They still should have educated themselves more though.

      • Rafael says:

        I agree withyou.  Neither veganism or medical establishment could be blamed for this tragedy- Parents had a lot to do with this unfortunate event. I am not sure about veganism in the first few years of a baby life, so it is better to get educated before doing it!!!!! Living like an Archevore (http://livinprimal.blogspot.com)

    • John says:

      Sarah, traditional people and hunter-gatherers often feed babies exclusively breast-milk for over 2 years. As for blaming veganism….well, I think, in this case, that’s where the blame lies. It requires a lot of attention and determination to be vegan — you have to pay attention to everything you eat. So don’t give me this “well, they just didn’t know”…if they didn’t know, it’s because they were brainwashed by vegan ideology into thinking they had a healthy diet.

      • Sarah says:

        No, nobody EXCLUSIVELY breastfeeds for 2 years.  All hunter-gatherers of course breastfed for 2 years – probably more – but have you ever been around a baby? Have you ever tried to keep stuff OUT of their little mouths? Once they get even a tiny bit mobile, if there’s food (or vaguely food-like stuff) lying around, it’s in their mouths.  It’s another thing that points to this baby being unusual in other ways than vegan – NORMAL babies are trying their damndest to feed themselves by that point.

        I’m not saying veganism didn’t play a role, I just don’t think labeling it the proximal cause of death is helpful.

        • Ian Wendt says:

           Erh, actually lots of people breastfeed exclusively for as long as 2 years and sometimes longer. You should do some research on that one. 

          • Sarah says:

            I would like to see documented evidence of a healthy child getting absolutely nothing but breastmilk for two years.   That is what "exclusively" means. 

            I’m a certified breastfeeding educator.  I breastfed my own daughter for 3 years.  I have friends who are still breastfeeding at 5 and 6 years, but past somewhere between 6 months and a year, no normal, healthy child will put up with exclusive breastfeeding – grown-up food just looks like too much fun and babies have an extremely strong instinct to stuff everything in their mouths.  Getting the majority of calories from breastmilk?  SURE.  Lots of kids experiment with food without really eating much, and are still getting much or even most of their nourishment from breastmilk at 2.  But exclusively breastfed? Nope.

          • Ian Wendt says:

             Ok, that’s defining it a little sharply. The nutritional impact of an occasional bite of fruit or meat isn’t enough to make much of any difference. That’s a bit like saying cats aren’t obligate carnivores because every now and then they nibble on a bit of grass or happen to eat the stomach content of a prey animal. 

            And if you check with the La Leche League, their information about duration of breastfeeding suggests rather strongly based on numerous studies that breastfeeding, even exclusively, past a year is immensely beneficial. 

          • Sarah says:

            Oh I am not arguing in any way that breastfeeding is not hugely beneficial!!!  But "no other liquids or solids" IS the clinical definition (yes, there is one) of the term "exclusive breastfeeding".  This is used in breastfeeding medicine and pediatrics, to differentiate between those who have been exposed – even a little, like one bottle or a bite of cereal - to formula, water, juice or solid foods, because even a minimal exposure will alter intestinal flora, taste response and other things.   I think what you’re talking about is typically referred to as "receiving the majority of calories from breastmilk"  or "predominantly breastfed".

            For the record, I have absolutely no problem with predominantly breastfeeding past a year, provided that it’s the child’s choice, not the parent’s.  There are kids who are just not that into food, and that’s fine, and mom should definitely keep breastfeeding as much as possible.  But most kids are very keen on exploring foods and should be given every chance to do so – with healthy, nutrient-dense foods, of course. :-)

  21. Jennifer says:

     Um Im really at a loss for words on this one….    what about all the millions of obese children that are being fed CRAP daily and im sure lacking in any type of  WHOLE GREEN FOODS or Lean Healthy Protein … these children are dying a slow death…. !!!!!!!!!!

    These poor parents, im sure had no idea that they were putting the baby in harms way.  Plus we really dont know if the baby had other meical issues…. 

     

    Im really hurt and distrubed by this.

    • SG says:

      I have read stories about European parents being charged with neglect for having obese children as well. 

    • Jennifer says:

       sorry for the spelling (using cell phone) 

      • John says:

        Jenny, of course lots of parents feed their children crap. And that’s wrong. But at least they don’t go telling other people that it’s actually healthy. Vegans are vocal promoters of their ideology, and they make false claims that veganism is healthy and natural. That’s why they get singled out.

        • Jennifer says:

           I understand what your saying and in a way they are telling their children that its healthy to eat unhealthy.  I dont eat meat because of many reasons… but i do not go around preaching to all about my food choices and I know a lot do, but there are extremist in everything including the Paleo lifestyle… we need to be balanced in all things.

           
  22. Seth says:

    As the father of a healthy 2 year old daughter my worst fear in life is that my child(ren) develop a serious physical problem. My heart gets crushed when I read stories like this and at the same time I get re-affirmation that the way I eat and feed my family is the optimal method.

    These parents were neglectful but to think that they should be punished beyond what has already happened to them is taking it too far.

  23. Anonymous says:

    You can’t hold these parents alone accountable for thinking that being vegan is healthy.  What about the "scientists", doctors, etc who put this information out into the world?  These parents didn’t come to the decision that veganism is healthy without lots of outside support.  I am sure that if they ahd known their diet was killing their baby, they would have made changes.

    • John says:

      Anon, there were clear signs of malnutrition. Ideology blinds. And yes, I hold the entire apparatus responsible. But ultimate responsibility always lies with the parents.

      • SG says:

        I agree that the parents are ultimately responsible.  We all are responsible for our choices, and these parents paid the ultimate price for theirs.  My point is that when you have seemingly credible sources reinforcing your ideas about health, it makes finding the truth more difficult.  If you are going to take legal action against someone for something like this, you have to be prepared to look at the whole system of information.  I hope people will see this for what it is and learn from it.

  24. Anonymous says:

     I don’t understand why the pediatrician didn’t step in…esp since the girl was so underweight. very sad.

    • Jen says:

      I agree!  If it was indeed a nutritional deficiency caused by the mother’s diet, it didn’t happen overnight.  Babies that age in Europe and the US (I’ve birthed in both places) are supposed to get routine and frequent well-baby checkups.  While the parents may have been ignorant of their diet/lifestyle second order effects on the baby, failing to visit the doctor’s office (especially with a child who is not thriving) is nothing short of neglect.

  25. Rose says:

    Anyone who would charge these parents with neglect is a bastard. Education and counseling is what these people need. Their “punishment” could be a Europe-wide campaign to educate vegan mothers about the dangers of malnutrition.

    Sheesh. :(

    • Oranges says:

      I agree, if this could happen to another vegan mother, there should be information out there to let them know about the possibility – that they need to supplement.

      I hope this just doesn’t turn people to feeding their children formula, which is WORSE! 

    • Anonymous says:

      They should definitely be charged with neglect.  The child was pale and underweight; this doesn’t just happen overnight.  Anyone with any intelligence would have noticed this earlier and taken their child to the doctor right away to see what was wrong.  This could have easily been prevented had the parents read the warning signs.  I know if my child was overly thin and pale I would have taken them to the doctor a lot sooner.  Besides, why is an 11 month old only drinking breast milk?  The baby should have been introduced to a  more balanced diet at this age.  There are plenty of vegan choices that the parents could have given the child.

    • Anonymous says:

      They should definitely be charged with neglect.  The child was pale and underweight; this doesn’t just happen overnight.  Anyone with any intelligence would have noticed this earlier and taken their child to the doctor right away to see what was wrong.  This could have easily been prevented had the parents read the warning signs.  I know if my child was overly thin and pale I would have taken them to the doctor a lot sooner.  Besides, why is an 11 month old only drinking breast milk?  The baby should have been introduced to a  more balanced diet at this age.  There are plenty of vegan choices that the parents could have given the child.

      • MR. Contradition says:

        Blame is a funny thing really coz you cant always blame someone/something but always feel inclined to. sometimes things just happen. Without more info its just personal opinion NOT fact who is to blame. Saying that the baby was pale and thin is no indicator of poor health. Half of my familiy is pale and thin and we are stronger and healthier than people twice our size. im not saying im not angry and upset about this but if the parents are reading this rite now im sure i blame you no more than you blame your selves. They obviosly did not mean to neglect and kill there child, vegans are obsessed about health, they just never the knew the milk was no good and that in my eyes is NO-ONES fualt.

        Instead of throwing blame around like a judge put youself in their shoes and thank god you never made their mistake. After all the only real blame here, if any belongs to unintentional ignorance.

        NOW do you want to keep being unitentionaly ignorant like they was ???….cor-9:22- "Be all things to all men"

         

      • Anonymous says:

        I totally agree- and  I think a lot of people here are missing the point- This baby’s parents CAUSED this baby’s death!! She was malnourished because her mom insisted on exclusively breast fed her (11 months is quite awhile to go exclusively breast feeding…) and her mother insisted on following a vegan diet! Had her mother followed a different diet this baby likely would not have been so malnourished and likely would not have died. Its THAT simple.

        The fact that kids have died or become obese from other diets is completely irrelevant to this situation.

        Being fed an exclusively breast milk diet from a mother who is a strict vegan (because she watched a documentary about cows being slaughtered) is what killed this child. The baby obviously needed other nutrients!!!

    • Erika says:

      But it is neglect.  That is the really tragic thing about this.  There is research out there that tells pregnant mothers that a well rounded, balenced diet is essential to the health of their child.  Did she never hear her doctor tell her any of this?  Did she never pick up a book, or read an article online?  If she ignored the warnings of her doctors and persisted with her vegan diet, then she killed her child through neglect.  My sister, thankfully, listened to her doctors, abandoned her vegan diet and now has a healthy 4 year old son.  She wouldn’t have if she had stayed with her vegan diet.  My real hope here is that people will listen and read this article and understand that our bodies have nutritional requirements that cannot be met with a vegan or vegetarian diet. 

      • tracker says:

        Exactly! And the thing that most people don’t realize, as adults, you may have enough of a particular thing, like Vitamin B12 for example, stored to where you won’t get sick for years from a lack of it. Babies and small children do not have this luxury. The sad thing is, the mother may have been taking B12 supplements, but some people do not absorb them well at all. Some people become more deficient than others faster.

        Veganism is a lie. A lie that it’s healthy, a lie that it’s good for you and your children, a lie that it’s ecologically friendly. It’s all lies.

         

      • Amanda says:

        I agree with Erika. There comes a point when you take responsibility for your own life and your own actions especially when it concerns the health and well-being of your children. This cannot be turned around and blamed on the doctors, ped. or any other person. If you are an adult that is going to take on the responsiblity of having a child you need to be responsible enough to educate yourself how to care for them, and for yourself for that matter. My heart breaks for this poor baby, the suffering that she went through her entire short-changed life is very sad.

         

        • John says:

          I couldn’t agree more, ladies. If parents don’t have ultimate responsibility over their children, then who does?

  26.  This is tragic. They have been punished enough with the death of their child!! I hope they are not punished further.

    It would be interesting to see if they have changed their dietary habits since that time, or if they just take supplements now instead.

  27. Anonymous says:

    The child died from bronchitis, not veganism.  Not being given solid foods still at age 11 months is  odd to me, and potentially part of the B12 issue, but the vitamin A deficiency would NOT be likely in a plant based diet… unless the child had a thyroid issue that complicated the conversion of beta carotene (why carrots are orange) to retinols (vitamin A).  No, this was not about the parents being vegan.

    • Nicole says:

       Not eating solid food by 11 mos isn’t really that odd. My daughter was soley breastfed and would not take foor until 11 1/2 months old. I tried but she refused it. She lived completely on breastmilk the first 11 1/2 months of her life with maybe the occasional bite of food. And She was a fat happy baby. Always in thw 90th percentile on everything with cute little fat rolls. lol. Today she is a happy 6 year old in a few days! I think the main problem here was the mothers lifestyle choice. I wonder how the mother did not suffer from malnutrition as well, because breastfeeding takes a lot of nutrients away from the mother. I really do think the parents are at fault in this case. I mean the parents had to have noticed their child was not growing properly, come on! 

    • b money says:

      the article said the lacking vitamins increases a child to become sick. there for because the vegan mother refused to take the required suppliments she is at fault. if she didn’t want to make sure her child was receiving all required nutrients then she is guilty of neglect. being a vegan is a personal choice. making your kids be raised that way. then that’s wrong. it’s sad that they lost their child, but when you ask yourself who’s fault it is.. then the blame falls on them. sucks but that’s life

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